No computer or networking skills required. As a Roon user for over a year now, I wanted to see if the Roon Nucleus Plus had any sonic advantage over my previous Roon Core install on a Mac Mini. This is what I so as my mini is headless so I rarely use a GUI unless I need to trouble shoot something via VNC - the rest of the time I control with iPad or a laptop. THE ONE: Small Green Computer Sonictransporter The single core performance of the new NUC i3 already almost the speed of the “old” NUC7 i7. Probably expectation bias - although I wasn’t expecting anything. Runs Squeezebox and UPnP apps. I've been told that they require devices to work with Alexa if they want Amazon Music HD integrated. The Core is media server software that runs on a powerful computer, NAS, or turnkey appliance (like Nucleus or ROCK), located on the network within your home. Frustrating.Â, We have a better solution an 432 evo aeon hi is a better sounding server then aninnouus and the aeon has a super clock ultra low jirtter usb output built in for 6k rhis setup is similar to an innous statement but way cheaper. If your NAS is below the recommendations, it does not mean it won’t run great on your NAS. I gravitated towards Roon during that evaluation cycle and overall found it to be the most feature rich and user friendly. One box solution, runs as core/streamer, has great connection options incl SPDIF, USD, and I2S and my preamp/DAC has I2S. Regards. I have done some rough comparisons NUC7 vs NUC8 for Roon Rock , you now can build a very fast Roon Server based on the NUC8. This is something of an ongoing debate. That’s it.Â. Been using Roon for a few months on a Mac Mini with the bulk of library held on QNAP. We agree that the word Endpoint is confusing–we scrubbed all references to it from the app in the 1.2 release, and most of the current documentation (including that page) deliberately avoids that term. Darn it. REALLY nice unit, but $3k with 2tb SSD. Nope. Connecting to a Roon Core running on QNAP NAS is easy from any Roon compatible device. So if everything’s stable in your setup, it might be worth sticking with what you’ve got. No problems. Roon recommends the Plus model for large music libraries. So is there any real difference between Roon Bridge, and what used to be termed a Roon ‘Endpoint’? Yup, it can be confusing - especially for those new to Roon. * A Core i3 or above CPU is recommended by Roon. Has an i5 processor, comparable to the Roon Nucleus+ which is 2x the price. Also I swear it sounds very slightly different - a bit cleaner/leaner. Only available in the mid-level with an HDD drive, and I wanted SSD. I’ll try loading tonight.  I like it, completely new experience. I decided I want to spend more money on an amp upgrade by spending less on the Roon server/streamer, so I set a budget of around $1500. It depends on your use-case. The one thing we keep hearing is that users wish they had more options for where to run their Roon Core. Intel® Core™ i3 7th or i7 8th Gen Fanless Roon Music Server Interested in setting up a Roon music management and listening server?  With the nucleus I don't have to depend on the iMac, but can pull everything together on the network and streaming. Should work great with Roon using DSP if I want to. audio-optimized file server that you’ll almost never interact with directly By Steve Huff. Each could be called an endpoint although they are in different positions in the audio chain. We have created a new YouTube Channel just for QNAP College. So in the spirit of trying to be constructive, I think a short paragraph on Roon ‘Endpoints’ would be a useful addition to the article per the link. * A Core i3 or above CPU is recommended by Roon. The Roon "core" (your MAC, Windows PC, or a server from one of Roon's partners) manages your music collection from all of your sources and builds what Roon refers to as an "interconnected digital library". Because of the size of my music library (3.5TB on an external USB drive), I requested the Roon Nucleus Plus rather than the base Nucleus. Build your own Roon server/player with a single board computer and Ubuntu. Could but don't want to spend $3k to $4500! RoonBridge is software specifically for allowing a Mac/Win/Linux machine to output sound (if the hardware is capable) or connect to a physical endpoint such as a DAC - both using Roon’s proprietary RAAT which allows zone grouping among other things. Today, we’re proud to announce Roon Server for compatible QNAP and Synology NAS … Continue reading "Roon Server, now on QNAP and Synology" That's understandable, I just suggested the DIY because offers more flexibility for the future and it doesn't lock you down to Roon which SQ is debatable, great interface but not so good player. Cross Innuos off the list if Amazon music is a requirement, only Tidal, Spotify and Qobuz at the moment. For a better user experience, It is suggested to have at least 4GB memory and run Roon's database on SSD storage. It's out. No onboard ripper drive, but just plug one in and works the same. If your QNAP NAS meets the requirements, you can use it as your Roon Core. Thanks. What is the Core? In one setup Roon might connect to a renderer (eg: Aries, microRendu) which then connects to a DAC. None of this would be very useful unless there was an app to control your “Roon Core,” which is either a computer or dedicated music server like the Roon Nucleus ($1,398).The Roon app is a music player that utilizes metadata to organize your music and analyze each album and track automatically providing hi-res album art, hi-res artist art, artist bios, album reviews, album credits, … Playback controlled via Roon remote on iPad. The trouble with Endpoint as a term is that it can refer to different points in an audio chain and not necessarily the end of that chain. If you have it enabled, Roon Server will not detect any Airplay, Chromecast, and Squeezebox devices. Roon allows you to see a wealth of information about the music in your library, cleans up your library and makes music exploration fun. What makes it for me as a package is that 432 EVO hasn’t lost sight of all the basics that a network storage device needs to perform in the pursuitof making its brainchild work. Lately however, the increased grouping of zones and possibility of confusing a location with a device has resulted in increased reference to endpoints. Whether or not you’d notice a benefit depends on a few factors. Obviously if you have $3000-10,000 to spend, there are other choices. Revised Roon Nucleus and Nucleus+ Servers Since its introduction in 2015, Roon has transformed the experience of browsing music. Roon Nucleus Review as a STREAMER vs Innuos Zen Mini MKIII. designed by our engineers to enhance your Roon experience. Roon Nucleus. About $1500. What is this and should I be running it with my setup? I guess the point I was trying to make (in a slightly cack handed way) was that the article per the link to the knowledge base above makes no mention of ‘Endpoints’, so although the article is accurate, it is not really complete for someone coming into the world of Roon and is inevitably confused by some of the terminology. I run my roon servers in headless mode exclusively anyway unless I happen to be remote to the system and want to update the roon client. Roon Server loaded and running with no problems. I missed some posts which were deleted now I understand you don't want something complex to execute or maintain. Roon Ready capable endpoints don’t use RoonBridge for example. And is based around software downloads of; Roon, Roon Bridge, Roon Server, and Roon Remote (and where for example the all-in-one ‘Roon’ consists of multiple components and on Mac/Linux can be run in a mode equivalent to the iOS/Android ‘Roon Remote’). Roon Server runs on Linux (x64), Mac OS X, and Windows (x86 and … This KB article might also help to clarify matters. You can then run standard Roon on the mini (in control mode) if you needed a GUI on the mac. Common Roon terminology includes; Endpoint, Core, Output, Control, Remote, Server, Bridge, Ready, RAAT, Zone, (and for historical completeness, ‘Speaker’). Choosing a Roon core/streamer/server! Naturally, your Roon Core needs to be something with decent computational chops and, in most set-ups, its likely to be a Mac or Windows PC. I too have concerns about being locked into Roon. I couldn’t believe how easy it was upgrading to the latest version 1.3. (For more information on how it fits in with Control and Output components, see the Architecture overview.). Every aspect of Nucleus — hardware, operating system, and software — was developed to provide a silent, high-performance, power-efficient Roon Core. Zones can be Grouped together for synchronized playback, but grouping doesn’t alter the physical relationship between Zones in Roon and physical spaces. Bluesound Node 2i: Many owners are reporting hardware and software problems and frustrations. It just works perfectly well. In addition, in reading the fine print they don't guarantee that with the Zen you can run it well as both a core and streamer, and it only has an i3 processor, which some claim isn't powerful enough. You can even play music to your mobile devices. A zone could occur anywhere in an audio chain, without creating confusion. Offering a smaller form factor, with or without a monitor, Intel’s NUC platform accommodates Windows and, therefore, Roon. Choosing a Roon core/streamer/server! They don't offer an SSD drive until the Zenith, which is $4k+.  Roon finds the metadata and you do nothing. For a better user experience, It is suggested to have at least 4GB memory and run Roon's database on SSD storage. Connecting to a Roon Core running on QNAP NAS is easy from any Roon compatible device. So no. RoonServer has no GUI and runs more like an ‘aways on’ service. This in turn led my down the Nucleus, NUC, PC route and eventually I’ve ended up upgrading a Mac Mini I had lying mostly unused with a 2TB SSD and it’s existing 256GB SSD for the Mac OS and Roon Core server app to live on. Roon Server is used in conjunction with Roon or Roon Remote, both of which provide control functionality. Thanks all. I learned a lot while researching (ie, torturing myself) for this project: Items 1-6 are what I considered and eliminated. Roon Server also uses less computing resources than the full version of Roon, and is the best choice for installation on headless servers. https://432evo.be/index.php/2020/05/22/hi-fi-choice-recommended-components-award-432-evo-aeon-ed-sel... Bluesound Node 2i: Many owners are reporting hardware and software problems and frustrations. Hi Geoff, the only thing I’d suggest about the KB is possibly clarifying that Roon can be installed and run as a remote on the same machine that’s running RoonServer. Discovery solves one of the biggest hurdles in computer audio: the computer. Roon’s latest press release explains: “The one thing we keep hearing is that users wish they had more options for where to run their Roon Core. **Thank you for all of your support for QNAP. If you’re generally using your iPad to control Roon and don’t need a GUI on he mini, then you could swap to RoonServer as it would use less resources.  Insert the CD into any external drive and the disc automatically rips to the internal SSD. Roon offers some cpu intensive features, such as audio upsampling, room correction and other digital signal processing tasks. In a discussion about playing music to different parts of your house, Zone is appropriate. None of this has happened yet with Roon Server. I do think the terminology could be simplified somewhat, but I won’t go there again…. Having installed Roon many times now (for myself and others) I think that Roonserver is probably the best default first program to install on the core machine/main PC. The Roon Core streams to your audio devices, whether they’re on your network or connected via USB or HDMI. Common Roon terminology includes; Endpoint, Core, Output, Control, Remote, Server, Bridge, Ready, RAAT, Zone, (and for historical completeness, ‘Speaker’). It could also be a NAS drive or a dedicated music server (such as Roon's own Roon Nucleus) which is pre-installed or installable with the It is not necessary to use it in order to explain or understand the product. Since Roon is so convenient and popular, I used the Delta Server exclusively as a Roon Core Server, but it is good to know that if you decide not to use Roon and pay their subscription fees, or if Roon goes out of business or in a direction you don't like, you do have options. BluOS (Bluesound Node) would be the budget one box solution, maybe, but not sure of the SQ.Â, Pat, as an alternative to roon nucleus, have you considered small green computer products.I am a satisfied SGC I5 owner. I have the Roon Core and my library on a dedicated QNAP NAS connected to a Bluesound Node 2i using Ethernet (I only have the one zone) and it has been issue free since I turned it up in October 2019. Thanks guys. Roon has never given me problems, but the Node 2i has thrown me two curve balls, both were after the Node 2i performed a firmware update. Roon nucleus is the way I decided to go. Yes, well put Steve. When we explain the architecture, there are three components: Core, Control, and Output. I originally thought I'd get an Aurender until I decided I want Roon, which it doesn't do. Introduction Roon is a clever music streaming architecure that has taken the audiophile community (and myself) by storm. Folks, I don't want to build my own box and I don't want to be an IT guy and I don't want to run a Roon core on a computer! No, not a one box solution but that's okay. I was once all set on an Aurender N100, but have decided I want Roon as an option. This has all been very helpful. This made for a good and easy solution with no computer pain. The summary of the review:It’s hard not to admire the dedication shown in the design of the Aeon to do something different and to do it as well as it can be reasonably done. I agree with NickB on this - for any ‘permanent’ setups, the best default installation would be RoonServer combined with Roon on the same machine - for an ‘always on’ server and a GUI as and when required. Endpoint is confusing for the reasons @andybob explained, and also because it creates a distinction between Endpoints and Zones that is incomprehensible to non-technical users. K. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. ‘Roon Server’. As far as I understand it the ‘endpoint’ is a physical audio output. All run through Devialet 800s via Gigabit switch and Devialet Air streaming. (Roon vs Innuos vs Wyred4Sound). In another to a Roon Ready streamer or DAC. ROCK is a Linux OS tailored to fit the Intel NUC platform.  It's just too slick, easy and intuitive. Meh. I just added a digital source (other than my really old Linn CD player) and bought a Innuos ZEN for use with a Line Magnetic DAC. Next time. >> The one I would buy if I had 2x the money to spend: Wyred4Sound's MS music server. I wanted both a Roon core and endpoint, and it isn’t. (Roon vs Innuos vs Wyred4Sound) Hi, I have gone down the rabbit hole, changed my thinking many times, and have arrived at 3 choices: Roon Nucleus, Innuos Zen MkIII, or Wyred4Sound MS. Ripping on a Roon Core/Nucleus is simple. Play a different song in every room, or play the same music all around your home. **WE HAVE MOVED! Also seemed to stop playback when on repeat when screen saver kicked in - not a crash as it starts immediately on play. Then I read about problems with Aurenders after power losses and other issues. If we want a dedicated server that does Roon and nothing but we look to ROCK – Roon Optimised Core Kit. And it offers all the power of Roon Essentials - the most innovative music playback software available - without the need for a laptop or desktop computer. Built-in ripper. I cannot think of any good reason why this would cause a problem, not doing so can however cause quite a few problems in the future when you understand the set up a bit more. Don’t need/want anything with an onboard DAC. Impressive. The Roon ecosystem includes rich control apps for iOS and Android, and allows streaming to many different types of audio hardware. Works really well. 3)• Nucleus to Raspberry Pi to Schiit Modi Multibit DAC and Magni 3 … http://www.innuos.com/en/catalog/go/zen-mk3-1tb-hdd-black, https://wyred4sound.com/products/music-servers/ms, https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8156, https://432evo.be/index.php/432-evo-aeon-music-server/. This is a stable, silent and very flexible music server that is more than up to the task of supporting a household, The world's largest high-end audio community. I can play the same recording using Roon app and then switch to Lumin app for SQ comparison. I wanted both a Roon core and endpoint, and it isn't. While I appreciate your end game there: Roon to a Chromecast controlling via android and iPhone, and you should certainly keep your eye on the prize! Not only was my Core automatically migrated, it even updated my Raspberry PI endpoint without […] and a Microrendu streamer. Thanks, though.Â. Easy peasy. Interestingly I did get the occasional - less than 1sec - dropout during playback with Roon, which I thought was my network or Devialet Air. The word Endpoint is better replaced wth Output or Zone based on context. with 2tb onboard SSD Roon server without the graphics overhead is much less demand on the system when it’s not being used as a visual interface. Seems Roon ROCK didn't work on the Beelink however I just installed Roon Server on the Windows 10 instance on it configured to the USB interface on my DAC, and HDMI output as the default Windows audio device for the AVR/projector so my wife can stream Chinese TV series and movies. If talking about architecting a system, we discuss Connected Outputs and Networked Outputs. I also install Minimserver on the Dell, both Roon and Lumin app are on my Ipad. I stream music running Roon core on my Dell server/SSD using ethernet connection to my new Teac 505 streamer/DAC. And with good reason. Salk Streamplayer. It also manages your audio output and networked audio devices. I have been able to run the Roon Core as a docker (this thread) on my unRaid server successfully. I'd drop the Innuos too if the 432 evo aeon sounded better and was cheaper. EJ Sarmento, the designer, was super helpful discussing it, and I regret not giving him the order. Help! Looks nice, has an i5 processor, and the maker is very nice on the phone. I rip all my cds now using mediacenter on my win10 pc and then just transfer them over the network direct to the 2tb ssd connected to my Roon Core. If I remember correctly, there was the odd post on Devialetchat about AIR(3) interacting differently with RoonBridge vs Roon vs RoonServer. Cue Roon Core which can be run on a Windows PC (64bit or 32bit Windows 10 versions), Mac OS X on Mac, or a stand alone 64 bit Linux server (for example Small Green Computer’s sonicTransporter i5) or Intel NUC, or NAS drive of the ilk of either QNAP or Synology. What is this and should I be running it. SSD storage for Roon Server’s database SSD in an internal tray; connect a SSD by USB to one of your USB ports; Known Issues: Roon Server has issues with Synology’s vSwitch feature. I can’t see much downside, whereas starting with just Roon may mean a need to change over to RoonServer down the line. Roon Sever for the core and Roon for remote. Artist photos, credits, bios, reviews, lyrics, tour dates and composers are located automatically within the software and then interconnected by links to build a surfable, searchable digital magazine for your music collection. Zone should refer to a space in your home, served by an Output, just as it does in other systems (Sonos, Sooloos, …). For that reason, some devs (@brian being one) have preferred to refer to Zones. However, I have just noticed the existence of ‘Roon Server’. It works great. Roon will support most AirPlay devices, whether Apple-made or third party, and you should see them picked up by the Roon Core on your apps. i3 processor, expensive for what it is. Core is also available for QNAP and Synology devices. 2)• Nucleus as Roon Core to an iPhone 8 Plus, with AudioQuest Dragonfly Red, to the aforementioned headphones. Find out if Roon works with your gear. Then I settled on the Innuos Zen III, but it's made in Portugal and they don't have a US service facility.

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